her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you
Jul. 11th, 2013 11:53 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I had a thought while finishing the Serenity commentary track. When Joss talks about killing Wash, I was thinking that the reason why that choice was so galling is actually very clear in Joss' defense of it: he killed Wash in order to make us worry more about the other characters. Wash's death is instrumental in the trajectory of other characters, rather than being about himself. It develops others, not him. Which is also the problem folks have been identifying in the fridging of female characters, the dead bro walking problem, the Dances With Wolves/Samurai/Na'vi thing.
So this was sort of bothering at me, and then when I got to the bit where Simon gets shot Joss points out the payoff: you're more worried now, because Joss has established that everyone isn't getting out alive. I get the logic of that, but I've never experienced those emotions myself – I don't think Wash's death made me more worried about the rest of the cast, just as I wasn't more worried for Cap and Tony in Avengers after Coulson went down. Instead, what I think would absolutely gutpunch me – and what I now really really wish Joss had done with Serenity - would be to reverse the structure. If he had almost killed Wash, faked you out, and then last-minute-reprieved him – you thought he was dead but he wasn't – and then Simon went down, you would think at first that he was probably safe, by the same logic that killing one makes killing two more likely. He'll survive; this isn't a killing movie. So think if Joss had done that, and then Simon had really died. Not destroying viewers' comfort, but using it to lure them in to a false sense of safety, and then kill the character who really is the one that should die.
It would make sense in Simon's character arc, in a way that it totally doesn't with Wash's. Wash has everything to live for – he's a very futury sort of guy, in the 'verse. You get the sense that he's the sort who thrives more in new worlds than in old ones. He and Zoe and their babies could be a beautiful sort of image of the 'verse's happy ending, a reverse image of the white rich exclusive detached Tam family. Wash/Zoe is the Sam Gamgee/Rose Cotton of Firefly. But Simon – well, okay, so he could definitely pull a sort of Sacrificial Prince thing, Siddharta-esque, and dying for love, for River, would have a lot of meaning to and for him. It would also be sort of bleakly beautiful to have the adventure of Miranda, the purge that clears River's psychosis, be the thing that also kills her brother and caretaker. Miranda represents the worst sins of the Alliance; Joss says in the commentary that Simon is the best of the Alliance, the handsome talented principled knight-doctor. Having the two polarities cancel each other out might be pretty freaking cool.
And it would set up the end scene with Mal and River better, I think. I love that scene, but there's always been a way that it doesn't quite fit for me – a sort of thematic skip, if you will. The link between the theme of purity/sin/freedom and the theme of love isn't built up enough, maybe. “Love” isn't the final keyword that the end scenes have set up. But it totally should be, because “love” is an excellent final keyword. If Simon died for love, if River was experiencing pain and grief because of the loss that's the inevitable end of love, it would make Mal's paen to it much more resonant and sweet.
I think this might be my headcanon now. Bury Simon out in the stars, out in the desert, Simon, and Book, and Mr. Universe. There's a way that, in the same way that River and The Operative and Mal are involved in a shared plotline of dealing with their own demons and powers, Simon and Mr. Universe share a plotline about government, subversion, and whistleblowing; it would make thematic and practical sense for neither of them to survive.
So this was sort of bothering at me, and then when I got to the bit where Simon gets shot Joss points out the payoff: you're more worried now, because Joss has established that everyone isn't getting out alive. I get the logic of that, but I've never experienced those emotions myself – I don't think Wash's death made me more worried about the rest of the cast, just as I wasn't more worried for Cap and Tony in Avengers after Coulson went down. Instead, what I think would absolutely gutpunch me – and what I now really really wish Joss had done with Serenity - would be to reverse the structure. If he had almost killed Wash, faked you out, and then last-minute-reprieved him – you thought he was dead but he wasn't – and then Simon went down, you would think at first that he was probably safe, by the same logic that killing one makes killing two more likely. He'll survive; this isn't a killing movie. So think if Joss had done that, and then Simon had really died. Not destroying viewers' comfort, but using it to lure them in to a false sense of safety, and then kill the character who really is the one that should die.
It would make sense in Simon's character arc, in a way that it totally doesn't with Wash's. Wash has everything to live for – he's a very futury sort of guy, in the 'verse. You get the sense that he's the sort who thrives more in new worlds than in old ones. He and Zoe and their babies could be a beautiful sort of image of the 'verse's happy ending, a reverse image of the white rich exclusive detached Tam family. Wash/Zoe is the Sam Gamgee/Rose Cotton of Firefly. But Simon – well, okay, so he could definitely pull a sort of Sacrificial Prince thing, Siddharta-esque, and dying for love, for River, would have a lot of meaning to and for him. It would also be sort of bleakly beautiful to have the adventure of Miranda, the purge that clears River's psychosis, be the thing that also kills her brother and caretaker. Miranda represents the worst sins of the Alliance; Joss says in the commentary that Simon is the best of the Alliance, the handsome talented principled knight-doctor. Having the two polarities cancel each other out might be pretty freaking cool.
And it would set up the end scene with Mal and River better, I think. I love that scene, but there's always been a way that it doesn't quite fit for me – a sort of thematic skip, if you will. The link between the theme of purity/sin/freedom and the theme of love isn't built up enough, maybe. “Love” isn't the final keyword that the end scenes have set up. But it totally should be, because “love” is an excellent final keyword. If Simon died for love, if River was experiencing pain and grief because of the loss that's the inevitable end of love, it would make Mal's paen to it much more resonant and sweet.
I think this might be my headcanon now. Bury Simon out in the stars, out in the desert, Simon, and Book, and Mr. Universe. There's a way that, in the same way that River and The Operative and Mal are involved in a shared plotline of dealing with their own demons and powers, Simon and Mr. Universe share a plotline about government, subversion, and whistleblowing; it would make thematic and practical sense for neither of them to survive.
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Date: 2013-07-11 04:44 pm (UTC)Oh, death takes the innocent young,
Those with plenty of money,
The screamingly funny,
And those who are very well-hung.
If you start a war, then you WILL lose people who are too precious to lose.
Personally I figured that the flash finale would be Simon having to kill River, and then having to survive.
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Date: 2013-07-11 05:59 pm (UTC)Your version is interesting, but I have problems with Joss killing off Simon, and not merely because then Kaylee would be sad, and we can't have that. If Simon had died, and River had gone to fight the Reavers, she would have been acting to satisfy her need for vengeance. (And also to protect her friends, but Simon comes first for her.) If Simon's only injured, she's acting solely as protector, and I think that's what finally heals her. (I don't mean heals her completely, but takes her as far as she needs to go in this story.)
Which is not to say that Wash's death isn't horrible and seemingly arbitrary. Zoe gets a taste of a peaceful life, and it's cruelly taken from her by the monsters that the government made.
I like the idea that Zoe might be pregnant at the end of the film. I've heard that that's Gina Torres's head canon, which makes me happy.
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Date: 2013-07-11 07:11 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-07-11 10:11 pm (UTC)(Don't get me wrong. I don't LIKE that Wash died! That sucked royally too!)
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Date: 2013-07-11 10:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-11 08:51 pm (UTC)Yeah ... I think it actually had the effect for me of making me care less. I remember my emotions at that point in the movie were mostly pulling back and trying not to get involved with whatever happened next, because I figured that either a) the whole thing was some kind of fakeout (there's going to be a reset button of some sort), in which case there was no point in getting too worked up about it, or b) he was going to pull a Blake's 7 ending, and I could only think, "I looked forward to this movie for years so that you could kill everyone off? Seriously?"
And then once it became clear that everyone else was going to survive, I was less delighted at their survival than angry at the transparent manipulativeness of Wash's death scene and the fact that Wash and Zoe didn't get a happy ending and it wasn't faaaaaair. ;_;
/is maybe a little biased.
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Date: 2013-07-12 05:58 am (UTC)Then again, killing Simon wouldn't have hurt me, and I think Joss was trying to hurt us.