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I'm reading James Eli Adams' book A History of Victorian Literature - exams approach apace - and thinking about a conversation I had with my mama over holiday about history and social justice. Neither of my parents quite understand how they came to raise a Victorianist. I think papa was hoping for a philosopher or a mediaevalist, and mama for a poet. And mama was asking me why, if I was bent on doing this feminism thing, I'd choose such a repressive era. (Oh, historiomythic accounts of the nineteenth century!)

Adams articulates, in his introduction, something that I tried to point out to her (though with less rhetorical aptitude): "Much of the elaborate etiquette that we think of as distinctly Victorian – rituals of introduction, calling cards, the chaperoning of unmarried women, intricate decorums of dress – is at root a strategy for coping with social mobility, by affirming one’s own claims to recognition while at the same time maintaining a distance that allows one to “place” new acquaintances (Davidoff 1973). The Victorian novel developed into a form uniquely suited to represent these dynamics, capturing the textures of social interaction, aspiration, and anxiety, within which social hierarchy could seem both a stimulus and a barrier to personal achievement" (&). This seems really key to me: the moment when society pushes hardest on the brake has to also be the moment when everything is already different, and folk just haven't figured out how to deal with it yet.

Which, actually, gives me some hope for the present political scene. This much repression must mean that, somewhere down deep, we're doing something right.

Tangential, but not unconnected: I have a politics question for those of y'all who inhabit the United Kingdom. I have a feeling that the very simplistic definitions of "whig" and "tory" I've hacked together aren't capturing the entire social context. In my own milieu I can trace all the strands of culture and lifetyle that make up US Republicans and Democrats, even down to breaking each group into a number of subsets: Repubs = Boston Brahmins, The One Percent, Rural Racists, Christian Evangelicals, ect. But I can't seem to get a real grip on Whigs and Tories. I'm guessing they don't just simply map onto US political categories, amirite? How do you understand those terms/groups/identities?

Date: 2012-01-19 08:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
Trollope hated the idea of the secret ballot; he witters on in the novels about it, I know. One of the things which is so bizarre about the demands of the Chartists which were considered appallingly radical to the point of insanity in the 1840s is that all of them - except annual elections - are now bog-standard principles of democracy.

Date: 2012-01-19 08:06 pm (UTC)
naraht: Moonrise over Earth (Default)
From: [personal profile] naraht
Trollope and, of course, Mill--your archetypal nineteenth-century liberal.

Date: 2012-01-19 08:08 pm (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
I hadn't realised that about Mill. Do you know what his argument was? (Trollope seemed to think it was somehow dishonest).

Date: 2012-01-19 08:19 pm (UTC)
naraht: Moonrise over Earth (Default)
From: [personal profile] naraht
Mill is an interesting case because he was originally for the secret ballot, but it seems that Harriet Taylor managed to change his mind.

He discusses his views in On Representative Government:

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/mill/john_stuart/m645r/chapter10.html

Date: 2012-01-19 08:29 pm (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
Um. Talk about "Only connect" eh?

He produces
His vote is not a thing in which he has an option; it has no more to do with his personal wishes than the verdict of a juryman. It is strictly a matter of duty; he is bound to give it according to his best and most conscientious opinion of the public good


and doesn't therefore argue that the debates in the juryroom should be thrown open to public scrutiny.

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