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throbbing light machine ([personal profile] lotesse) wrote2006-03-08 08:14 pm
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lookit!

A meme where you draw a pig and it tells you about your personality!

...I am way too easily amused. But it's exam week and I'm tired and also? Plato stinks.

Do the pig thing, baby: http://drawapig.desktopcreatures.com/gallery/large.asp?id=970151&p=0&hof=1&q=personality+test
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[identity profile] rose-sous-globe.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh*
http://drawapig.desktopcreatures.com/gallery/large.asp?id=972691&p=0&hof=1&q=personality+test

Why're ya knockin Plato?
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[personal profile] lotesse 2006-03-09 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
Because Leo Strauss took all the mildly freaky bits from the Republic and amplified them x100 into scary scary neoconservative theocracy/police state stuff, and because my clearly insane feelings of social duty have prodded me into writing a term paper about the whole mess. It's creeping me out big time.

Our Greek text last year is dedicated to Strauss. He was tight with Jacob Klein and that lot. Look him up sometime--it's pretty crazy.

[identity profile] hyel.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
Whereas when I knock Plato it's all Plato's own fault. La la.
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[personal profile] lotesse 2006-03-09 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
ha

[identity profile] rose-sous-globe.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know about that mess. It sucks. Leo Strauss was not much of a scholar if he missed out on that one important point:

PLATO WAS BEING SARCASTIC!
Ahem.

I didn't know how tight he was with Klein... I don't know if Klein would be considered a Straussian. He seems too reasonable. I just read a big assignment from his Greek Mathematics and the Origin of Algebra and it was really something else. Klein gets many bonus points. Strauss gets zero.
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[personal profile] lotesse 2006-03-09 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Klein was better--certainly a better scholar.

Yes, but what if Plato wasn't being sarcastic? There's nothin definitive in the text, other than the fact that the things that he says are totally awful. Eep.

[identity profile] rose-sous-globe.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Meh, I take Socrates' previous sarcasm as evidence enough for me. Like saying in a Monty-Pythonian pepperpot voice to Meno, "You are a pretty boy, aren't you? Yes you are! You are a pretty boy!"

Also the fact that the state was a model of a person, not a state per se. The sarcasm seems to come in because of Glaucon, who after Socrates has described a perfect little farming state, insists upon 'relishes.'

I don't think Plato was so stupid as to think human beings would actually operate in the way he specified as a group.

[identity profile] rose-sous-globe.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
I ♥ "Joan of Arc." The first time I heard it was on that Austin City Limits televised concert by Cohen himself. He had this great backup singer who did the Joan bits.
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[personal profile] lotesse 2006-03-09 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
soo jealous that you've seen him. Although, I might be able to trump it: "So Long, Marianne" was written for and about my bestemama's childhood best friend. They all used to hang out together in Norway.

Also, your pig analysis is eerily accurate.

(((ali)))

[identity profile] rose-sous-globe.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
That's so cool.
Emphasis on the televised. I wish I'd seen him in person. So you definitely trumped it.
Accurate, ay? They got a few things, I must say. Although I don't think I'm that much of a pessimist.
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[personal profile] lotesse 2006-03-09 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
See, this is what happens when I read eljay at two in the morning in the middle of exam week. *facepalm*
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